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Excellent job done by MM: A Reaction after US election 2004
Thanks to MM, specially Dr, Jaffor Ullah ,Avijit Roy and Jahed Ahmed. I was literally glued to MM through whole election night, just to read Dr, Jaffor Ullah's valuble article and opinion about US election. I spent the entire night juggling between BBC and MM .
Bush has won. It was not unexpected; a smart American as they say is an oxymoron. The whole world has to accept Mr. Bush ,after all this is called democracy, no matter how much they dislike the man. Next 4 years will be very crucial for humankind. Now we just have to watch how, where, and when Bush will start his next mission !
RegardsNondini Hussain
Wed Nov 3, 2004 6:18 pm
Mukto-Mona Remains as Muktangon for us: A Reaction after US election 2004
From: "tasmia99"
Date: Wed Nov 10, 2004 7:05 pm
Subject: Re: Quddus Khan responds to Avijit
WRT: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mukto-mona/message/20855
Dear Mr. Avijit,
I read Vinnomot, Mukto-mona and
Shadalap for logical and rational debate over many issues including
Politics and religions, socio- economics. I do not reply or post any
of my opinion because I do not think I have the skill to summarize
my thoughts as good as you do. But I could not stop myself writing
this letter reading this thread. [Please ignore my poor English.]
I am a passionate reader of all of you including Mr. Khan. I have a
deep respect for you and others (e.g. Setara Hashem, Dr. J Ullah)
including Mr.Abed for their integrity. But I was surprised to read
some articles of Mr. Kuddus khan and his followers regarding the
Last USA Election. Their basic conception of anti-religious
fundamentalism originates only from "anti-Islamism". Their views are
contrary to their stand on religious fundamentalism. I was very
disappointed when Mr. Khan tried to slime "Kerry support" as
"third world mentality". Does he really stand for any ideology?
I think he watches too much Fox television. All of his arguments are
in the same line with Rush Limbaugh or Shawn Hannity. Interestingly
he even claims himself as a "democrat". I assume he will loose many
of his present third world readers in Vinnomot but hopefully will
get a back up from white Evangelicans and immigrants with first
world mentality {LOL }.
I wish Muktomona to remain as a Muktangon for us. It is very easy to
be sided with the winner all the time; it takes a real character to
fight for an ideology even at the eve of apparent defeat. I stand
for an ideology of making this world a better place with out any
influence of religion on any socio-political life. As I do not
interfere in anybody's personal life, I do not ask anybody which
religion he belongs to. I am not against any religion as a personal
belief but deadly against any Political religion (Islam or
Christianity or Zionism or anything else). Please ignore Mr. Khan's
desperate with his very shallow view of "democracy" and
"progressiveness".
-Rezwan
Salute to MM... A Reaction just before US election 2004
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My Salute to Avijit, Jafforullah, Jahed and others working for the cause of peace. Yours truly |
The mukto-mona web site is a revelation: It is everything I once hoped the Brights forum would be....
In Brights.Net Forum some readers commented :
Mughal,
First, if you are in contact with Dr Azad and his family could you
please send him my best wishes and hope for his speedy recovery. He
is, indeed, a very brave man.
The
mukto-mona web site is a revelation.
It is everything I once hoped the Brights forum would be.
Some Europeans and Americans, secure in their feather-bedded
societies, whine that "nobody takes any notice of me" and think that
they are badly treated. If they bothered to open their eyes to the
rest of the world they would quickly discover that people are being
killed, openly and brazenly, for professing their rejection of
religion.
I noticed in my searches that a Bangladeshi had complained about
members of the mukto-mona community using pen-names instead of their
real names. We have had the same discussions on this forum and I
have argued consistently that we should be allowed to hide our real
identities if we so desire. The attack on Dr Azad shows just how
important this is.
To anyone who might be inclined to the view Mughal's posts as, at
worst, scaremongering or at least a bit exaggerated, I would implore
them to visit mukto-mona.
Your latest post, Mughal, is once again most informative. It also
makes for the most depressing reading. There is at least one more
generation of muslims and Islamists who are being force-fed religion
when their minds are at their most formative. It will be difficult
to change the minds of most and yet again we shall be limited to the
few who have enquiring minds and are brave enough to shake off the
shackles of faith. I fear we are still some generations away from
achieving the goal of universal rationalism.
Those who are able to see the development of fundamentalism from
both sides of the Christian/Islamic divide suffer, what religionists
would call, both a blessing and a curse. I fear that before the day
when universal rationalism arrives, if the rate at which
fundamentalism is being spawned continues, extremists will have
foisted a terrible war on humankind.
Thanks again, Mughal.
Freaky.
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You said, "A wise one created us ";
That may be true, we would agree.
"Outside of time and space," you postulated.
Then why not say at once that you
Propound a mystery immense
Which tells us of our lack of sense?
Abu 'l'Ala Ahmad ibn 'Abdallah al-Ma'arri (973-1057)
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Freaky,
greetings dear friend.
Thank you for sharing your views. Dr Humanyun Azad is a teacher at
Dhaka University and is a colleague of Dr Ajoy Roy who also is a
teacher there but they are in differet departments. Avijit Roy,
the mukto mona founder is son of Dr Ajoy Roy. At the moment none
is allowed by bangladeshi authorities to see Dr Azad save his wife
and children. Even his uni colleagues have not been allowed to see
him so far. However, we are inform by Dr Roy that his condition is
improving day by day which is a very good news.
You are right that free thinkers are not safe in our societies
particularly in pakistan, iran, egypt, saudia, bangladesh and the
list goes on. However, there is hope because we are all gradually
coming together by way of www. The infidel forum, the infidel
guy's forum, the faithfredom international forum, the mukto muna
forum are only the beginning. Before that were secular society
webs. We now have become aware that we are not alone at all. The
next step ought to be to join hands and organised for the sole
purpose of promoting ourselves which we have been neglecting for
so long. Religion cannot be undermined unless we too behave the
way the religious behave at least to some degree. This is where
the brights idea could prove foundational. It is time we organised
and came out in the open and made our presence felt consistently
and constantly. Although attempt on Dr Azad's life was a sad news
but it also brought out a lot of people in his support even from
within bangldeshi community. This means things are not what they
were even a few year back. So people like us are having some
impact though not as much as we would like.
You are right that europeans are lucky that they do not suffer
like people in countries I mentioned but they have had their blood
shed already. It was not easy for them either. We too would get
there though help of these people should make it a bit easier for
us. So it would be very silly of them to sit idle and I do not see
them sitting idle. They protest very strongly indeed and work hard
along with us when they become aware of any attrocity against any
human being anywhere in the world. I would bring to your attention
the case of Amana Lawal of nigeria and dr younus of pakistan. So
secular humanists are not sleeping at all but you know as well as
I that religion is not an easy to struggle against movement. It
has been established for thousands of years and it will take some
time for us to unwind it. So dear friend take courage and remain
hopeful, for things are only beginning. I think we will be having
some real impact within coming few years, for things are moving at
such a speed.
The best thing would be to visit forums set up by various people
belonging to different religions and countries and see how people
are beginning to question religions. You can visit some of the
forums on my page and see what is going on. So things are not all
that bad, for people are coming out of their shells.
Thank you again for your very kind responses, regards and
Mughal
Source: http://www.the-brights.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=1577&st=15
From: "ahmed bin
sheikh"
Date: Sat Dec 6, 2003
7:02 am
Subject: Mukto-mona:
a great site!!!
Hi people, I was referred to this
site by a friend. I have been reading the site for about a month now
and I was astonished to find out that Bangladesh has produced such a
great bunch of freethinkers. This site produces a lot of articles of
high intellectuality.
I was grown up a non-practicing (not serious) Muslim and
indoctrinated as a communist. Spending too much time in political
activities and indulgence, I couldn't do well in my engineering
studies. Most of my friends have landed in the US butt I managed land
in Jurong Dockyard in Singapore for about a year now. It's a hard work
there for the few dollars but coping OK by now. I cannot afford a
computer and hence I will have to go to cyber cafes (which becomes
tiring and expensive for me) and occasionally to firend's place to
keep up with Mukto-mona. Still I will continue to follow the site and
will try to forward my feedback on various issues. Editor, I will be
pleased if you will post this message on the site.
I have done some reading about religions after the
9-11 and now I keep far
away from both religions and communism (after reading some great
articles on
MM).
with regards, Ahmed AS.
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It was Thursday afternoon I was surfing the net at
work and suddenly found the Web Site (Mukto- Mona) for free thinking
PPL hosted by Bangladeshi. Don't know how to express my feeling I was
shocked, thrilled and emotional which lead me to take next day off
from work. I spent rest of the week reading articles and browsing
through the Links. I felt great and so happy knowing that there are
PPL (Bengoli) out there with sound Knowledge and logical attitude. At
the same time got angry for my late discovery. Please allow me to
introduce myself. My name is Tanvir Chowdhury born in Bangladesh 1969.
I brought up in a middle class strict Muslim family. I left country
for higher education; well that was my parent comment. In fact there
are two reasons they made me go overseas. The friend I was hanging
around and the negative attitude towards religion. Whatever the
reason, now I am thankful to them for my departure, which helped me to
explore. 1996 I got my Diploma in Computer Integrated Manufacturing (CIM)
and 1999 in Network Engineering from Australian Govt College Of TAFE.
Since 1997, I am working with Email Metering Australia as an Analyst
as well as studying part time in Bachelor of Science (IT).
Unfortunately, I'm still single. Acceptance for Atheist in our
culture, some kind of illution. Despite that, socially I'm very active
and open. Traveling and science is my best hobby. Richard
feynman,Stephen Hawking,Erwin Schrodinger,Jhon Gribbin,Richard
Dawking,Paul Davis and so on...reading their articles or books, I
never had problem with time.. Lot of Bangladeshi Muslim and
fundamentalist (Toblig) live in Sydney. I really don't have any true
Bangladeshi friend that I can share knowledge or opinion. Most of the
Bengali gathering, I earned lot of hate and anger. Can't imagine
myself, this kind of gathering in Bangladesh. Maybe my life would be
in question. I love being Australian; at least I have the freedom of
speech and all other related aspect.
The reason I'm writing this email not just for
friendship. It is the Knowledge that I respect as well as its
informative and logical attitude.
Please Take Care.
Tanvir Chowdhury
From: 
"globalkafir"
Date: Tue Nov 11, 2003
1:00 am
Subject: New at the forum
I would like to say that I am happy to join the forum. Many intelligent people are posting here. A great learning place.
From:
"Surabhi Chowdhury"
Date: Sat Nov 29, 2003
3:04 pm
Subject: mukto mona
Dear moderators,
Description of the website of mukto mona, www.mukto-mona.com shows that it is a forum for bengali humanists and free thinkers. Probably it started as a forum for bangladeshi secularists, but now it is a group of south asian liberals. Is it possible to change the description?
surabhi
From:
"Amit Das"
Date: Mon Dec 1, 2003
6:57 pm
Subject: mukto mona
<<<"Surabhi Chowdhury"
[Description of the website of mukto mona, www.mukto-mona.com
shows that it is a forum for bengali humanists and free thinkers.
Probably it started as a forum for bangladeshi secularists, but
now it is a group of south asian liberals. Is it possible to change
the description? ]>>>
Perhaps it will be appropriate to redefine "Mukto-Mona"
as
'primarily for the ABC, but we also welcome the XYZ...'
Amit Das
Kolkata, India
From:
"alamgir hussain"
Date: Thu Dec 18, 2003
6:13 pm
Subject: A message of encouragement..
Dear Friends,
I felt delighted and encouraged by the following message from a Professor of Political Sciences at the Rutger's University who read my article "Medic Mahathir - Right Diagnosis, Wrong Prescription"?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> and wants to include it in his proposed Book, "Beyond Jihad: Voices of Moderate Muslems". I do offer my sincere thanks to all who appreciated the article. My especial thanks also go to Jaffor Bhai for his finishing touch on the article.
Thanks,
Alamgir Hussain.
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From: "fatemolla"
Date: Thu Dec 18, 2003
1:56 pm
Subject: RE: Remembering Aroj Ali
Matubbor - excerpts and quotes
I always wanted MM to grow beyond "discussion" to real action. We have thouhgt a lot, talked more, written even more, but no change comes until a carefully tailored action plan is made and persued. MM has the potential of doing many real things. One of those may be collecting fund, print Mohaguru's gist in a small book, as cheap as possible, and distribute to our youths.
We all are busy. I don't believe there is a busier person than me in the world. But a "MM Action Cell" may be created for this purpose.
For how long MM will behave like a needle of clock, constantly moving but not progressing? Enough is discussed, more will be, it is time MM opens a parallel action-front.
fatemolla.
From: "Belal Beg"
Date: Thu Dec 18, 2003
10:20 am
Subject: Remembering Aroj Ali Matubbor -
excerpts and quotes
To editors of Mukto-mona,
Sometimes I am overwhelmed with the scholarly and overpowering
deliberations
of some of our members. May I suggest like a layman, that those
writings
which will have infallible effets on readers, be sent to print media
in the
name of the Group. This may add new dimension - the Group becoming
also a
feature syndicate for the print media.
Belal Beg
Moderator's response:
Thanks to Mr Beg. It's a very good idea. Our internet forums are
accessed by
very limited number of people. Only by putting such great works to
print media,
we can reach a lot larger number of readers and can create a lot
bigger impact.
I will forward this note of Mr Beg to the permanent moderators once
they return.
I will also request individual writers to consider their major works
for sending
to print media themselves. Jaffor Bhai is sending his major works to
print media
which every contributor should strive for that.
thanks,
Alamgir
Acting Moderator, MM.
From: "Aman -Ud-Dowla"
Date: Thu Dec 11, 2003
9:51 pm
Subject: see for news and views
Hi Friends
See a news and views site as one stop resource at www.worldnewsbank.com
muktamona also included at NEW VOICE section. Great!
Aman from New York
From:
"Soumitra Bose"
Date: Fri Sep 19, 2003
5:23 am
Subject: Comments inviting discussion
Saw through the list of articles of secular news from mukto-mona this time. Very interesting, very informative. It was although pretty disappointing to me! Mukto-mona is mostly run by Bengalis, especially those who were bred in Bangladesh. I have full respect for those who have started it and are taking it along. This one is one of the few level-headed and sane thinking groups. Yet the element of my disappointment is still there!
This issue deals with some or other mal-practices of religion, communalism, obscurantism and related topics. I agree that communalism is a scourge and a fest in our body-politic, body-social and body-culture. I agree that the religious issues do take an important part in our mental set up and unfortunately take a major part in our political and socio-cultural views, but I agree to that to the extent of an unfortunate instance.
I am really dismayed that after 32 years of Bangladesh independence and after 56 years of partition (on a religious basis) the intellectuals and thinkers of Bangladesh (barring a glaring few - a matter of so relief) are still bothered about ISLAM, HINDUISM, relationship between the communities, communalism, and related stuff. IS this the real problem of Bengal and that too India? Suppose the entire BENGAL becomes MUSLIM, or for that matter HINDU or BUDDHIST or anything, would that solve the real problems of quotidien?
I see among the Bangladeshi compatriots in US and UK, the only political or social topic they discuss hovers around this, I see the Bangladeshi newspapers are galore with such stuff. IS Hindu (don't know what it is in one entity)- MUSLIM relation the only stuff that hinders our development? I know that some famous NGOs of Bangladesh lives and earns on such things, but is that the real relationship that hurts us? I see in Gujarat, the only topic that is discussed there is communalism , and I see Gujarat going down from the pinnacle of industrial and mercantile development to the dungeons of a chaotic hell. I see the communalist parties and NGOs of Bangladesh taking the country to an ungovernable state. I see in Bihar and UP the communal roughshod is halted, I see even in Mumbai the machinations run out of steam. And I see in West Bengal it is not discussed in the least. In WB people and even BJP (with its rudimentary presence) and Jmmat talking about privatisation, civic rights, class issues, food security issues, human rights question, WTO and anti-globalisation issues and Coke-Pepsi debate. I see a vibrant life there and I see Hindus and Muslims celebrating Durga Puja and Eid together and revelling in Christmas as their own festival but immediately after coming all armed against the fascist rules of the powers.
Which one is the reality? How can someone's identity be fixed at one's birth? What will fetch square meals and covering cloth and safe shelter and decent education and guarantees of lifestyle to Bengalis?
Sorrowfully
Soumitra
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Dear MukoMona,
Interesting, thought provocative web pages. I liked Mr. Avijit Roy's articles in particular. Keep up the good effort. I hope that you website will add material and be visited by many, both in the Diaspora and in Bangladesh. It is a sad time for humanists, both non-religious and religious, around the world and in South Asia. If I had time, I'd participate in your forums, but due to various reasons and interest in other issues, I can't. Much luck in your endeavors.
Best regards,
Tanweer
From: "Jahangir Meherul"
Date: Thu Oct 23, 2003
12:22 pm
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Part 2: Is
Our Civilization Threatened? "Muhammad And The Birth Of Islam
To understand Islam we should acquire knowledge through different perspectives than Muslim writers because most if not all Muslim writers write about Islam depending on their blind faith, fear of their God/Allah, and emotions. Knowledge can be acqired only and only by free(mukto) mind (mona). Therefore, this article about Muhammad and Islam is a good source of knowledge. The writer is very simple way explained the story about Muhammad with evidence from Quran. We want more of this kind of articles. When I was in Bangladesh, I didn't have option to read anything but the blind fairy tales of Islam. I am happy that because of Internet and brave people and great site like Mukto-Mona, we can get real knowledge of religions.
Peace be upon all peaceful people on earth!
meher
Subject: From Paul Kurtz
Name: Paul Kurtz
Date Posted: Nov 3, 02 - 3:23 AM
Website http://www.secularhumanism.org
Dear Sir: May I thank you
for sending me a copy of your web site. Congratulations! It is very
well done. Please keep us informed as you proceed. Sincerely, Paul
Kurtz
http://www.secularhumanism.org
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From: "fatemolla ."
Date: Tue Jan 13, 2004 5:12
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Subject: MUKTO MONA - ONE MORE STEP AHEAD!
MUKTO MONA ONE MORE STEP AHEAD!
Visit:- http://www.ntpi.org/html/links.html
fatemolla.
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